TurboKV: Insanely fast Rust key-value store

(github.com)

63 points | by rgbimbochamp 4 hours ago

8 comments

  • dangoodmanUT 2 hours ago
    > DbOptions::durable()

    > Appended to the WAL without a per-write sync

    So… it’s not durable? Durable doesn’t mean “survives a process restart”, it means “durably saved to persistent storage”. For example, this “durable” mode wouldn’t survive power loss.

    • stingraycharles 2 hours ago
      Yeah this should be benchmarked against other systems that have flush() disabled.

      mmap is nice but it doesn’t support durable semantics in the way that we usually mean with databases.

      if a write is acknowledged it should not be forgotten, which is not what this is.

      • rgbimbochamp 2 hours ago
        You're right, that mode provides process crash recovery, not power-loss durability. The benchmark compares it against fjall’s equivalent buffered-WAL mode.
        • a2ff6eeb0 1 hour ago
          If that's your design constraint, couldn't you speed it up by getting rid of the WAL?
          • oneshadab 10 minutes ago
            You'd lose durability against process crashes.

            If your system has a reasonable tolerance for power failure (multi-az multi-cloud), this can provide much better throughput

            • t098i3 6 minutes ago
              Indeed, a common enough pattern for etcd is to run it backed by a RAMdisk and have multi-az availability + periodic backups + tolerance at a business level to be OK losing some recent data.
    • deepsun 19 minutes ago
      Are we back to MongoDB -- no fsync() but webscale speed?
  • medv 34 minutes ago
    Every programmer eventually creates own db: https://github.com/antonmedv/medb
    • otabdeveloper4 24 minutes ago
      A file-backed hashtable isn't really a DB.
  • boguscoder 1 hour ago
    Embedded could also mean no_std, which this is absolutely not. Still cool though
    • LoganDark 1 hour ago
      Yep, the correct term here is "embeddable", not embedded.
  • nine_k 2 hours ago
    I suppose the insane speed is due to this:

    > TurboKV's persisted Bloom-filter format uses hardware AES.

    Also, built-in LZ4 compression.

    I would expect SIMD to be used for scans.

    • haberman 2 hours ago
      I assume this is for hashing. I've seen several hashing algorithms turn to hardware AES instructions before, but I haven't seen any evidence that this technique outperforms state-of-the-art hashes like RapidHash (https://github.com/Nicoshev/rapidhash) in either quality or speed.
    • rgbimbochamp 2 hours ago
      Those help but the main write speed gain is the WAL, that uses preallocated mmap segments to avoid a write(2) per durable mutation while preserving crash recovery. AES hashing mainly helps Bloom filter point lookups and LZ4 mainly helps SSTable I/O. Scans benefit indirectly, but don’t yet use a custom SIMD merge loop.
      • bestouff 1 hour ago
        I said elsewhere this doesn't survive a power loss.
        • rgbimbochamp 18 minutes ago
          paranoid() does survive power loss.
        • taneq 1 hour ago
          While it’s important to make this explicit, at what point do we just assume a high-reliability UPS is table stakes?

          Of course, if you need SIL2 type reliability then you need to assume any given hardware component can spontaneously combust and become a total loss, at which point the data loss caused by a power cut is a rounding error.

          • toast0 27 minutes ago
            > While it’s important to make this explicit, at what point do we just assume a high-reliability UPS is table stakes?

            Several years after they become commercially available?

            My experience with small UPSes is they tend to cook the batteries and you don't find out until they switch the load and the battery doesn't hold up.

            Large facility UPSes tend to do better, but automatic transfer switches have a tendancy to fail ocassionally. If you're hosted in many locations, it's not unusual to have a couple ATS failures per decade.

            All that said, unexpected power loss is certainly one reason that writes may be lost, but OSes crash too. Disk firmware can also crash, but if thst bricks the disk, writes in progress don't really matter. Sometimes cabling fails. Or you get a uncorrectable ECC error (which will typically cause an OS panic... unless you're running a very fancy OS, but if it's in dirty disk backed page, even a fancy OS wouldn't save you)

            Plenty of applications don't need or want to pay the cost for full commit to disk, but calling something durable when it's not committed to disk is inaccurate.

            And that's before we get into the whole thing where the OS and the disk like to return success when things haven't quite finished.

          • whilenot-dev 40 minutes ago
            What's got this to do with a UPS? Not having a UPS is an external threat on the reliability of the power grid.

            Doing a hard shutdown or tripping over power cords seem much likelier local scenarios than any spontaneous combustion of hardware components.

      • dangoodmanUT 2 hours ago
        Iirc that’s how badger handles the WAL as well
  • paulsutter 1 hour ago
    Oops you built a database!
  • karen4830 39 minutes ago
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  • yeasin-arafat 41 minutes ago
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  • AtlasBarfed 1 hour ago
    Aphyr or gtfo