6 comments

  • londons_explore 37 minutes ago
    My guess is the LED's suffer reverse bias thermal runaway when they're hot from being in a steamy enclosure and then they get a reverse 5v across them and any leakage current turns into heat accelerating the process.
    • colechristensen 24 minutes ago
      All LEDs are photodiodes too, certain degredations of parts or poor circuit design could lead to the display turning into a switch.
  • londons_explore 41 minutes ago
    You can do an awful lot to make a device like a microwave safe with loads of failsafes...

    But rarely do those failsafes protect reliably against 'the mainboard was splashed with salt water'.

    Even with triple redundant relays, how do you know the salt water didn't just wet them all?

    • sitharus 33 minutes ago
      In almost every system with failsafes there will be conditions that can bypass them. The goal is not to make it impossible for the unsafe condition to happen, but to make it so that in the expected uses the failure will not happen.

      In this case it's a domestic microwave and the mainboard is housed inside the electronics enclosure, so covering the whole mainboard in salt water is not an expected occurrence in a domestic kitchen.

    • dezgeg 34 minutes ago
      In that situation one of the switches should short the mains voltage and blow the fuse when the door is opened.
  • bell-cot 3 hours ago
    168 points and 116 comments at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41480038
  • 1970-01-01 1 hour ago
    This is literally evidence of stuff being designed to fail. An extra diode costs less than a cent at production scale. This was a manufacturing choice, not an error.
    • PunchyHamster 15 minutes ago
      nah, this is just not something designer would expect to fail like that. The LED has datasheet, the datasheet have leakage current, it has no data on increased leakage over years, you plan for what you have.

      What would help is not randomly planning for some of the segments to fail (they are multiplexed with other things, you'd have to put more diodes), but to just get slightly better/less cheap LED display

      Only "choice" made here was sorting by price when buying components for the cheap device.

    • HPsquared 1 hour ago
      Don't underestimate the appeal of saving one cent per unit. So long as the costs are externalised, anyway...
    • cogman10 56 minutes ago
      Eh, I don't agree.

      LEDs are diodes (Light emitting diode). Certainly this was a cost saving measure, but it's not a bad assumption that the LED wouldn't allow reverse current flow.

    • wat10000 1 hour ago
      It’s not exactly designed to fail, they just don’t care. If they could add a one-cent part that made it fail sooner, they wouldn’t do that either.
    • Atlas667 1 hour ago
      Capitalist profit motive strikes again. The invisible hand expands tech and the visible hand keeps making tech worse.

      People usually respond to this by saying that it would be absurd to suggest the company did this for its own benefit, when anyone who engineers knows these are often caused by revising design to minimize costs... and increase profits.

  • rbanffy 2 hours ago
    Very impressive engineering on the door switches. On the display, not so much.
  • kotaKat 44 minutes ago
    More proof blue LEDs are the devil and should have never been put into all of our electronics to be the shining beacon of "OW MY EYES" at 2 AM.